There was a recent thread that discussed this.  The initial poster included saving par as part of the definition while a follow up (Don??) broadened it to just the act of getting up and down.  I liked the latter since right now I'm often faces with up and downs to save my bogey (pars are few and far between). Yesterday I posted my round to a net _base_d handicap service (www.nethandicap.com), and one of the features is that it automatically figures out U&Ds from the information you put in.  Well it obviously agrees with the former definition because I didn't give me credit for one whole where I did one-putt but it was for bogey after a good chip.  Same thing happened to me on what would have been a sand save under the latter definition. Does anyone know if under the official PGA Tour statistics is getting U&D for a bogey is recorded as a U&D.  Ditto for sand saves. Thanks, Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX http://www.geocities.com/~texasp38 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm

Thanks, Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX http://www.geocities.com/~texasp38 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

included saving par as part of the definition while a follow up (Don??) broadened it to just the act of getting up and down.  I liked the latter since right now I'm often faces with up and downs to save my bogey (pars are few and far between). Yesterday I posted my round to a net _base_d handicap service (www.nethandicap.com), and one of the features is that it automatically figures out U&Ds from the information you put in.  Well it obviously agrees with the former definition because I didn't give me credit for one whole where I did one-putt but it was for bogey after a good chip.  Same thing happened to me on what would have been a sand save under the latter definition. Does anyone know if under the official PGA Tour statistics is getting U&D for a bogey is recorded as a U&D.  Ditto for sand saves. Thanks, Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX http://www.geocities.com/~texasp38 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Does anyone know if under the official PGA Tour statistics is getting U&D for a bogey is recorded as a U&D.  Ditto for sand saves. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX I'm sorry to have to contradict the magnanimous and sensitive Rob but he is wrong.  Sand Save stats on tour relate to getting up and down out of the sand in two strokes one out and one in the hole (according to the Aug edition of Golf Journal published by the USGA). As a practical matter you will go a long time before you have a tour pro getting up and down out of the sand for bogie. As for up and downs this is another stat that is not tied to the score at all.  Any time you are green side and you attempt to get it on the green that is considered an up and down attempt.  If you duff the chip and you have to try again you have made your second up and down attempt.  If you fail you have missed and up and down in two attempts.  If you make it you 50% on up and down attempts.  Again as a practical matter pros don’t shoot and up and down for bogie.

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