We should show our individuality not only across the style of dressing ourselves, but also by our head-dresses.
According to latest tendencies, head-dresses have to be as most natural. - We turn already to natural slaughter-houses, to the natural texture of hair. Such which can be blow-dried, does not it is necessary them to press with the iron, does not it is necessary them to turn on brushes, absolutely not to comb back, rolls on the head also already are not necessarily timely - Philip Galas speaks. - We found that these natural head-dresses, completely free, completely loose, this this is, what to wear will be. |
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I read somewhere earlier on in the week(sorry forgot where) a report about how women regard makeup. It tells how for the majority of women, wearing makeup makes them feel better. Having lived with a real women for the past 20 years, I can readily agree with this, but I wonder on the history of this mindset(meme?). Was that the case for those pre-war women, or even further back in history, or is it a more modern phenomenon?
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I read somewhere earlier on in the week(sorry forgot where) a report about how women regard makeup. It tells how for the majority of women, wearing makeup makes them feel better. Having lived with a real women for the past 20 years, I can readily agree with this, but I wonder on the history of this mindset(meme?). Was that the case for those pre-war women, or even further back in history, or is it a more modern phenomenon?
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history. Kohl liner for the eyes, rouge, lip coloring...these were all practiced by Egyptians, Sumerians, Phoenicians, etc. 300's overly androgenized Xerxes is probably not all that far from the truth of various ideals of beauty and enhancement in ancient civilizations. Pre-war? Try pre-history.  On Jan 17, 2008 7:49 AM, Lee <
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wrote: I read somewhere earlier on in the week(sorry forgot where) a report about how women regard makeup. It tells how for the majority of women, wearing makeup makes them feel better. Having lived with a real women for the past 20 years, I can readily agree with this, but I wonder on the history of this mindset(meme?). Was that the case for those pre-war women, or even further back in history, or is it a more modern phenomenon?
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I read somewhere earlier on in the week(sorry forgot where) a report about how women regard makeup. It tells how for the majority of women, wearing makeup makes them feel better. Having lived with a real women for the past 20 years, I can readily agree with this, but I wonder on the history of this mindset(meme?). Was that the case for those pre-war women, or even further back in history, or is it a more modern phenomenon?
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differences between men and women, which always earns me an ear burning or two from someone who finds my views sexist. Ah well, let's on with it then... The feminine mystique is the ultimate power of women in intra-genderal dynamics. Being an attractive, alluring woman is an art form, honed and refined through thousands of years of human culture. Siddartha's time with the courtesan explored sophisticated seduction, and the rituals which are involved in that. I see the same rituals enacted by my own lovely counterpart, and the great lengths she goes to in perpetuating the theatre of feminine beauty. Countless women I have talked to discuss their participation in this theatre, and of the sense of confidence or differences in presence each costume or role entails. There are myriad choices every day in presentation for environment, and although that presentation involves a lot more than make up or choice of outfits, I am told that those accoutrements help provide a psychological foundation for the role being played. I don't in any way mean to intimate that these roles are false or deceptive; all humans have various modes of operation which change as appropriate from one social context to another. It simply seems to be the case that with women, there is a visual component to that social mode which is an integral, or at least, important, factor in how they FEEL about that role, which is the psychological component that seems to differ in the majority of men. While men do have similar uniforms they wear for the various roles, it seems to more commonly be expressed through material posession, having the best or biggest tools for the job , as it were. While this is clearly a manifestation of our innate phallo-centrism, in practice, it creates a dynamic where we show up with the fastest car, fullest wallet, biggest house, or biggest penis, and women show up in their grandest performances, with physical attributes packaged in the most flattering way possible, and physical presence amped up in subtle ways designed to draw the eye and interest. In the end, our motivations and behaviours really haven't changed that much from our cave dwelling ancestors. Our _expression_s of those motivations have simply become more refined and complex. Modern make up goes far beyond rouge and lip color, with casual temporary plastic surgery available for those with even a modest amount of disposable income. Dermal fillers and strategic use of Botox allow any woman to have more sensuous lips, smoother lines, and an overall younger appearance, (the primal signal for fertile, calling upon the primal male desire for procreation). As technology develops further, make up as we know it will likely disappear entirely, replaced by designer gene therapy treatments, and home dermal modification kits. What won't change is the basic dynamic of male / female interaction, and the roles we play within that dynamic. There is a psychological pay off to a woman for engaging in behaviour she feels makes her more attractive, because evolutionarily, women who took extra steps to be appear more desirable, and were happy about it, were more likely to be mated with, and perpetuate their genetic line. No matter how genteel society may deem itself, our core evolutionary values will not change as long as we are *Homo Sapiens.* On Jan 17, 2008 8:02 AM, Lee <
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wrote: Heh yeah I am aware of that Chris. My question was regarding whether or not this 'It makes us happy' mindset is as old as makeup or a more modern thought. On 17 Jan, 12:53, Chris Jenkins <
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wrote: Makeup on women (and men, for that matter), goes back as far as recorded history. Kohl liner for the eyes, rouge, lip coloring...these were all practiced by Egyptians, Sumerians, Phoenicians, etc. 300's overly androgenized Xerxes is probably not all that far from the truth of various ideals of beauty and enhancement in ancient civilizations. Pre-war? Try pre-history. On Jan 17, 2008 7:49 AM, Lee <
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wrote: I read somewhere earlier on in the week(sorry forgot where) a report about how women regard makeup. It tells how for the majority of women, wearing makeup makes them feel better. Having lived with a real women for the past 20 years, I can readily agree with this, but I wonder on the history of this mindset(meme?). Was that the case for those pre-war women, or even further back in history, or is it a more modern phenomenon?
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Oh Lee, you've gone and done it now. We're going to have to discuss the differences between men and women, which always earns me an ear burning or two from someone who finds my views sexist. Ah well, let's on with it then... The feminine mystique is the ultimate power of women in intra-genderal dynamics. Being an attractive, alluring woman is an art form, honed and refined through thousands of years of human culture. Siddartha's time with the courtesan explored sophisticated seduction, and the rituals which are involved in that. I see the same rituals enacted by my own lovely counterpart, and the great lengths she goes to in perpetuating the theatre of feminine beauty. Countless women I have talked to discuss their participation in this theatre, and of the sense of confidence or differences in presence each costume or role entails. There are myriad choices every day in presentation for environment, and although that presentation involves a lot more than make up or choice of outfits, I am told that those accoutrements help provide a psychological foundation for the role being played. I don't in any way mean to intimate that these roles are false or deceptive; all humans have various modes of operation which change as appropriate from one social context to another. It simply seems to be the case that with women, there is a visual component to that social mode which is an integral, or at least, important, factor in how they FEEL about that role, which is the psychological component that seems to differ in the majority of men. While men do have similar uniforms they wear for the various roles, it seems to more commonly be expressed through material posession, having the best or biggest tools for the job , as it were. While this is clearly a manifestation of our innate phallo-centrism, in practice, it creates a dynamic where we show up with the fastest car, fullest wallet, biggest house, or biggest penis, and women show up in their grandest performances, with physical attributes packaged in the most flattering way possible, and physical presence amped up in subtle ways designed to draw the eye and interest. In the end, our motivations and behaviours really haven't changed that much from our cave dwelling ancestors. Our _expression_s of those motivations have simply become more refined and complex. Modern make up goes far beyond rouge and lip color, with casual temporary plastic surgery available for those with even a modest amount of disposable income. Dermal fillers and strategic use of Botox allow any woman to have more sensuous lips, smoother lines, and an overall younger appearance, (the primal signal for fertile, calling upon the primal male desire for procreation). As technology develops further, make up as we know it will likely disappear entirely, replaced by designer gene therapy treatments, and home dermal modification kits. What won't change is the basic dynamic of male / female interaction, and the roles we play within that dynamic. There is a psychological pay off to a woman for engaging in behaviour she feels makes her more attractive, because evolutionarily, women who took extra steps to be appear more desirable, and were happy about it, were more likely to be mated with, and perpetuate their genetic line. No matter how genteel society may deem itself, our core evolutionary values will not change as long as we are *Homo Sapiens.* On Jan 17, 2008 8:02 AM, Lee <
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wrote: Heh yeah I am aware of that Chris. My question was regarding whether or not this 'It makes us happy' mindset is as old as makeup or a more modern thought. On 17 Jan, 12:53, Chris Jenkins <
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wrote: Makeup on women (and men, for that matter), goes back as far as recorded history. Kohl liner for the eyes, rouge, lip coloring...these were all practiced by Egyptians, Sumerians, Phoenicians, etc. 300's overly androgenized Xerxes is probably not all that far from the truth of various ideals of beauty and enhancement in ancient civilizations. Pre-war? Try pre-history. On Jan 17, 2008 7:49 AM, Lee <
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wrote: I read somewhere earlier on in the week(sorry forgot where) a report about how women regard makeup. It tells how for the majority of women, wearing makeup makes them feel better. Having lived with a real women for the past 20 years, I can readily agree with this, but I wonder on the history of this mindset(meme?). Was that the case for those pre-war women, or even further back in history, or is it a more modern phenomenon?
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