Sounds a bit far fetched?  Well consider the evidence. In almost every single post by Ernie there is some reference to me being a liar and a crook and a snake oiler. My apparent crime is to sell products that Ernie deems to be snake oil .  Anyone else who questions Ernie is also called a Snake Oiler, including people like Mitch and Sean who have never sold any hair loss product at all, while HLT never gets attacked even though he sells the very same hair loss products. And there's much much more, so lets review ALL the facts before jumping to conclusions. Fact 1 HLT aka Kevin sells the exact same products that I do.  Ernie Primeau, while calling people who don't even sell hair loss products snake oilers, never attacks HLT for selling the products but actually supports him. Fact 2. If Ernie attacks me and I respond, HLT criticizes me for responding, not Ernie for attacking me even though Ernie has single handedly destroyed this group by posting complete garbage in every thread. And even though HLT jumps on anyone who promotes any non-FDA approved product he never tries to warn people or speak out about Ernie and his nonsense.  However he is never shy to speak his mind about me even though I run a very reputable hair loss web site that helps thousands of people every day.  In fact he once he even criticized me for posting a whole bunch of questions for Ernie to answer. Fact 3 Ernie was previously invited to talk about his method on HLT and Kevin supposedly had discussions with him on the phone. I once even had to correct someone who had read Ernie's misleading crap on HLT which was put on the site by HLT himself. Fact 4 Ernie always backs Kevin up in a confrontation against me, even though by Ernie's definition HLT is a snake oiler. Kevin also backs up Ernie and has even complimented him on the way he handles himself in the newsgroup even though Ernie posts complete unscientific nonsense. Fact 5 Ernie and HLT both think I am Preston Nivlak and have both accused me of being him even though I have stated many times that its not me. Fact 6 I have previously caught HLT posting a negative post about me under an alias about some brushes I sold with magnetic bristles.  To this day Ernie does not stop talking about them even though I stopped selling them a long while ago.  When HLT essentially promoted the same thing in one of his recent newsletters, which cost about $600 more than the brush I sold and was equally unproven, Ernie was uncritical and has even shown enthusiasm for it asking people to post about their experiences with it. Fact 7 HLT runs a competitive site to mine and it's in his best interests to see me attacked every day. Those are the fact, I know they sound odd, but sometimes I wonder myself considering the evidence.  Most obvious of all is how Ernie attacks people every day who have never sold a hair loss product in their life because they either speak out against him or defend me, yet he constantly sides with HLT even though HLT is by his definition a snake oiler too because HLT sells hair loss products. Some food for thought

Fact 6 I have previously caught HLT posting a negative post about me under an alias about some brushes I sold with magnetic bristles.  To this day Ernie does not stop talking about them even though I stopped selling them a long while ago.  When HLT essentially promoted the same thing in one of his recent newsletters, which cost about $600 more than the brush I sold and was equally unproven, Ernie was uncritical and has even shown enthusiasm for it asking people to post about their experiences with it. Funny thing is, while Ernie has unrelentingly bashed the magnetic hair brush, there are several patented hair loss products _base_d on permanent magnets.  I think there very well could be a measurable positive effect from magnets. And I agree that it's pretty hypocritical of Ernie to bash your product line as snake oil while not holding HLT to the same standard.  Then again, this is a man who thinks he has hair when pictures clearly show he's bald....

Preston Nivlak?  Everyone except Ernie loves reading his hilarious posts. Now think about how crazy and bizarre Preston Nivlak is and people still think its me, is it that far fetched to think that HLT is really Ernie?  I mean I have already caught him once before faking posts under another name. The more I think about it the more convinced I am, if people can think I'm Preston Nivlak then its not a stretch to think that HLT is really Ernie Primeau. They both seem to agree with each other all the time even though Ernie represents what HLT supposedly dislikes (ie non -FDA approved treatments) and HLT represents what Ernie supposedly dislikes (snake oilers). For all we know the real Ernie Primeau could have stopped posting long ago after his site shut down and the fake Ernie Primeau could have taken over and just imitated his _style_ of posting.  Consider how difficult it has been to get any proof from the man, he never wants to post pictures even though he claims to have hair growth.  Well obviously if the real Ernie Primeau was no longer in the picture it would be difficult to get his pictures.  Plus HLT did mention speaking to him over the phone.  How many other people in this newsgroup have spoken with Ernie?? Think about it...........

Want more evidence? How many people remember the Legendary Malpage from this group?  For those who don't he was a young kid who just wanted to score chicks.  He never gave a shit about anything else, least of all defending hair loss web sites or products.  He only posted on this group to my knowledge, was friendly to me, and disappeared about a year ago never to be seen again. However, in March 2001 he mysteriously reappears on the HLT web site to defend HLT.  Anyone is welcome to lookup his old posts and compare writing _style_s and see if they match.  I saved this post because it looked too obvious to me.  The parenthesis indicate the words of the poster he was responding to. Notice how passionately he defends HLT and how he has an intimate knowledge of his activities, very different to the Legendary Malpage I knew =================================== By TheLegendaryMalpage on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 02:46 pm Slick50 - [ The profit margin at $100 a pop for this stuff is very high ] Once again you aren't quoting the facts accurately. $99 covers three months worth. That's $33 a month. Thats cheap as hell. What's your point again? [...so the hairloss sites that sell it are backing it big time. ] Your premise about the $100 was wrong, and now you're establishing a conclusion _base_d on an incorrect premise. Way to go dipshit. Are you saying that this site is promoting Revivogen because of money? Your assumption here has already been proven wrong because HairlossTalk already said that they have turned down Nioxin and lots of others. Therefore not only is your premise wrong, but your conclusion is flat out wrong too. Is there any particular reason why you ignore these facts and insist on living in la la land? [ The hairloss websites are citing 'studies' as the reason for backing Revivogen. However, the results in the real world for this product are speaking for themselves. They are questionable at best. ] Really! Please show us the clinical study where you did an accurate evaluation of the real world results. Whats that? You have none? Gosh, guess that means you looked in hair loss discussion forums to decide scientifically that this product doesn't work. Wow! There's that great logic of yours again  You're an idiot! [ Much better results would certainly be achieved by using a simple regimen of finasteride and 5% minoxidil. There's little profit in those products at this point though, because cheap generic versions are now available on the net. ] Hmm, ok so using your previous argument that hair loss sites only promote Revivogen because of profit, that would mean that they DONT promote minoxidil because theres no profit. WHOOPS!! They do promote Minoxidil and Finasteride! I've even seen HairlossTalk tell people to use Finasteride and Minoxidil before opting for Revivogen? Whoops! There goes your entire premise again! THIS IS TOO EASY [ If I'm laying out several hundred dollars a year for a product and rubbing it in my scalp daily, I'd better see results similar to(preferably better than)what finasteride would yield ] Revivogen is mainly a DHT inhibiting product, and Propecia as a DHT inhibiting product takes upwards of a YEAR TO WORK. How many people do you know who used Revivogen daily for 1 year? Id venture to say... ohhhh.... maybe ZERO? How can you comment on its effectiveness with no clinical studies, and no knowledge of even one person whose used it for more than a year? The answer? You can't. This point is also MOOT and useless. YOU SUCK AT THIS! Next... [ I'd better see results similar to(preferably better than)what finasteride would yield