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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 05:41:02 -0500, in alt.atheism Pastor Frank <
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wrote in message You are demonstrating that you would rather be caught lying than admit that the doctrines you teach are false. List the doctrines that are false, and don't forget to prove your point. Amazingly, Christians almost never question the authenticity of Jesus and the Bibles, yet the very foundation of their faith is _base_d on their authenticity. The Bibles are the literature of 'faith', not of scientific observation or historical fact or demonstration. God's existence as a speculative problem has no interest for the Biblical writers. If religion was _base_d on facts instead of pure faith the followers would be called knowers instead of followers. Why are there thousands of different one true faiths ? If religion was supported by any real 'evidence', 'faith' would be totally unnecessary. It is only unsupportable assertions that require the suspension of reason, and unsupportable ideas require belief _base_d on 'faith'. It is believed that the foundation of the Christian religion, civilization and morality is the Good Book. This is patently ridiculous because the Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions, human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction, barbarisms, and impossible tales by authors of totally unknown veracity. There are NO NADA originals in existence. All that is available are hand copies of copies by church leaders wanting to impress their flocks. The 66 books of the Bible had 42 or more independent authors living in 7 different countries during a time span of 750 or more years. They are not accurate history and certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction. No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manu_script_s. No contemporary Roman records show Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents ( the Bibles )about Jesus were written long after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. It is reasonable to assume that these ancient documents were doctored and altered to enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings come from fraud, interpolations and hearsay. The documents included in the Bible were selected by the church leaders to support and enhance their power. The rest were destroyed by church leaders. There is also the matter of the Biblical canon itself. After all, ancient Israel and the early church knew of many more religious books than the ones that now constitute the Bible. For example, there were 50 gospels in circulation at the time the New Testaments were chosen by church leaders, yet only four made it into the New Testament. Who decided which of the books would become part of the Christian _script_ures, and again, Why? Who decided, This book belongs... this book doesn't... ? What were their reasons? What were their motives? How do we know if ANY of them were authentic? In addition there is evidence that the Bibles were altered by church leaders to support their personal motives and ambitions. The fact is, there are no clear records available which document the church's process of determining which books were acceptable and which books were unacceptable and why. The general consensus of opinion among scholars is that the decision was _base_d on whether or not the book agreed with the prevailing theological thought and motives at the time. In other words, the only books accepted were the ones that agreed with the opinions, desires and motives of the church leadership at the time The earliest part of New Testament was written more than 60 years after the claimed death of Jesus Christ and the Old Testaments were just a collection of various regional stories from older civilizations. Some Biblical scholars claim the earliest versions of the New testament were not in existence until 150 years after the Christ tale. Why are there NO contemporary documents created while Jesus was claimed to be on earth? Could it be that Jesus is just a fable created by church leaders to enhance their power? There are NO originals in existence of any of the Old or New testaments. They are all hand copies of copies of copies with alterations to suite the copiers. It is interesting to note that NONE of the Bibles were written during Jesus' claimed life time. Time needed to pass to permit the creation of tales and the embellishment of history. The Bibles contain both historical and scientific errors. They contain manifest absurdities, unfulfilled prophesies, immoralities, indecencies, obscenities, atrocities, barbarities, myths, folklore and legends. They are mostly nonsense and hearsay. Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge. Courts of law do not allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. We live in a world where many people believe in demons, UFOs, ghosts, or monsters, and an innumerable number of fantasies that are believed as fact are taken from nothing but belief and hearsay. Humans are known to lie and exaggerate to benefit themselves or express their delusions. Valid historian's do not just tell unsubstantiated stories, but cite their articles with sources that trace to the subject themselves, or to eyewitnesses and physical artifacts. The most claimed authoritative accounts of a historical Jesus come from the four canonical Gospels of the Bible. Note that these Gospels did not come into the Bible as original and authoritative documents from the authors themselves, but rather from copies influenced by early church leaders, especially the most influential of them all: Irenaeus of Lyon who lived in the middle of the second century. Many heretical gospels were written by that time, but Irenaeus selected only four of them, out of almost fifty, for mystical reasons. The four gospels (Mark, Luke, Matthew and John) then became Church cannon for the orthodox faith. Most of the other claimed gospel writings were burned, destroyed, or lost. Although the gospels of the New Testament
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