Agreed. Without a definition, it is pointless to claim evidence. claiming evidence should be done ... after it is determined what it is we are looking for evidence of

being able to think about it being the case is not the same as there being a *reason* to think it is accurate. i know. we're in agreement... i just said that it wouldn't be too far fetched to draw that conclusion... you have no such reason, but you think that complexity indicates design (which you haven't demonstrated/proved), COULD indicate... No, complexity does not indicate design.  Even if we later discover that it was all designed, it would still be wrong to think that complexity indicates design.

snip being able to think about it being the case is not the same as there being a *reason* to think it is accurate. i know. we're in agreement... i just said that it wouldn't be too far fetched to draw that conclusion... you have no such reason, but you think that complexity indicates design (which you haven't demonstrated/proved), COULD indicate... No, complexity does not indicate design.  Even if we later discover that it was all designed, it would still be wrong to think that complexity indicates design. I've no idea why these idiots think it should. My guess is that one of the leading Liars For God, one of the con-artists at the top, came up with this bullshit and the unthinking idiots who believe anything they say simply repeated it until it became one of their standard stupidities.

it isn't my 'philosophy' that i'm providing but my means of coming to investigate gods. anybody could and has followed it that way. those who seem to have i've pointed out for any that are interested.     Sounds innocent enough, or is it? I could be just another materialist who defines the word god to mean some invisible divinity in the sky. For what it's worth I will provide you with the definition Jesus Christ gave the word god and He was expert enough in the subject of gods to found a whole major religion on His definition. Pastor Frank     GOD THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO _script_URE:     The word God is not a proper name but a _title_ of a position of whatever is your standard of virtue and ideal of perfection against which you measure all behaviour. (Jesus in Matthew. 5:48) I.e.  In 2 Corinthians 4:4, Paul says that Satan is: ...the god (theos) of this world , i.e. reality. And again in Philippians 3:19, Paul says there are people: ...whose God (theos) is their belly , i.e. pleasure. Jesus tells us in Jn:4:24 that His GOD IS A SPIRIT , (i.e. akin to a quality of attitude, like love and care in a person), and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus explains further in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM.     Philip saith unto him: Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him: Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS.     Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.     Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, He who believes in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees Him who sent Me.  I have  come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in me should not abide in darkness.     Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU.     1Jn:4:8: He that LOVETH not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.     1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the LOVE that God hath to us. GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in LOVE dwelleth in God, and God in him.     Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.     Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have LOVE one to another.     Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye LOVE one another, as I have LOVED you. Greater LOVE hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.     Acts:17:28: For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.     Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most secret thoughts.    Heb:1:8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

You are demonstrating that you would rather be caught lying than admit that the doctrines you teach are false.     List the doctrines that are false, and don't forget to prove your point.

satanservice.org@boboroshi (boboroshi of TOKUS) wrote in <479d700b$0$36408$ This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it : 50080127 xi! Rev. Karl E. Taylor < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it to DH: Then why are you preaching to a news group that demands evidence? bobo: what would the newsgroup accept that could be presented herein? Free Lunch < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it : Evidence. see the futility of this yet? It's not at all futile. I know they have no evidence. They know they have no evidence. They keep showing everyone that they are bearing false witness.     evidence of what? Please tell us in precise terms what it is you want evidence for. Pastor Frank     Our Christian God is love (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)     Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot recognise Him, (Jesus in John 3:3)