This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: Communist doctrine, OTOH, most certainly does promote class warfare and the reduction of human beings to instruments of the state. Communist doctrine most certainly does not promote the reduction of human beings to instruments of the state. In its modern form it grew out of the reduction of human beings to instruments of production. And in communist states the state controls the means of production. Therefore the workers and their labor are the property of the state. And in the first paragraph above, Del Col was talking about doctrine rather than states.  Usenet Rule of Discussion #3: when caught in a lie, change the subject. As a further note, Michael's argument is a non sequitur.  Since the operative verb in Jeff's statement is promote the question is not what do the doctrines assert but rather what do they implicitly effect.  The most certainly do not is a dubious assertion; likewise its origins are not to the point. Harter earns double points for double equivocation:   1.  N.b., the second paragraph above is by Michael    Carley.  Hence the only thing clearly not following    is Harter. 2.   Promote , as both etymology and usage show,    makes no clear distinction between assertion and    aetiology (cf. advance ).  To claim otherwise, as    does Harter, is only to...promote...further Del Col's    equivocal claim. A stronger case arises by analogy with imputing doctrinal promotion logically and historically independent of substantial institutional realization, as in anarcho-syndicalist doctrine putatively promoting violent repression through fascist insurrection.  Setting aside the semantics of promotion, my faith in the clockwork of humanity never fails to get buttressed by witnessing all things Usenettish fall into place, as tendentious tediousness gets seconded by paltering anility. Paltering anility - I do like that.  For your next and future life you must consider becoming a dictionary. Should we come back as propitious utensils congruous with our past lives' contributions to mankind, I would become the 8 Randall #1 custom sheathed by Victoria's Secret, even as you would hold the pride of place as yonder Sarmatian breath mint ameliorating the waterways in the brick outhouse constituted by Herr Prof. Weineck, looking forward to comprehensive deconstruction by Michael Sean Rooney in his guise of a humanitarian woodwork project by Theodore Kaczynski. Cock pride, Michael?  Settle for being a dictionary. Richard Harter, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it http://www.tiac.net/users/cri A wise man praises modesty.  Your own horn is heard more clearly if no one else is tooting theirs.

Should we come back as propitious utensils congruous with our past lives' contributions to mankind, I would become the 8 Randall #1 custom sheathed by Victoria's Secret, even as you would hold the pride of place as yonder Sarmatian breath mint ameliorating the waterways in the brick outhouse constituted by Herr Prof. Weineck, looking forward to comprehensive deconstruction by Michael Sean Rooney in his guise of a humanitarian woodwork project by Theodore Kaczynski. It is certainly true that most contributions directed at me by you and your acolytes have been pure crap and that I have born it with the patience otherwise only found in baked clay and entities of similar equanimity. Spite masquerading as longanimity

Cock pride, Michael?  Settle for being a dictionary. It's a knife, Dickyness.  Honni soit qui mal y pense.  Not that your guttersnipish misprision ever arrives unexpectedly, but by continuing to type in this excretory vein you are liable to squander the aseptic effluvia that render you so peculiarly adapted for the indispensable office of a public urinal ameliorator. http://www.nordicknives.com/randall/randall_pics/NordRand01A_04A.jpg Cordially

This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: Communist doctrine, OTOH, most certainly does promote class warfare and the reduction of human beings to instruments of the state. Communist doctrine most certainly does not promote the reduction of human beings to instruments of the state. In its modern form it grew out of the reduction of human beings to instruments of production. And in communist states the state controls the means of production. Therefore the workers and their labor are the property of the state. And in the first paragraph above, Del Col was talking about doctrine rather than states.  Usenet Rule of Discussion #3: when caught in a lie, change the subject. As a further note, Michael's argument is a non sequitur.  Since the operative verb in Jeff's statement is promote the question is not what do the doctrines assert but rather what do they implicitly effect.  The most certainly do not is a dubious assertion; likewise its origins are not to the point. Harter earns double points for double equivocation:   1.  N.b., the second paragraph above is by Michael    Carley.  Hence the only thing clearly not following    is Harter. 2.   Promote , as both etymology and usage show,    makes no clear distinction between assertion and    aetiology (cf. advance ).  To claim otherwise, as    does Harter, is only to...promote...further Del Col's    equivocal claim. A stronger case arises by analogy with imputing doctrinal promotion logically and historically independent of substantial institutional realization, as in anarcho-syndicalist doctrine putatively promoting violent repression through fascist insurrection.  Setting aside the semantics of promotion, my faith in the clockwork of humanity never fails to get buttressed by witnessing all things Usenettish fall into place, as tendentious tediousness gets seconded by paltering anility. Paltering anility - I do like that.  For your next and future life you must consider becoming a dictionary. Should we come back as propitious utensils congruous with our past lives' contributions to mankind, I would become the 8 Randall #1 custom sheathed by Victoria's Secret, even as you would hold the pride of place as yonder Sarmatian breath mint ameliorating the waterways in the brick outhouse constituted by Herr Prof. Weineck, looking forward k project by Theodore Kaczynski. Cock pride, Michael?  Settle for being a dictionary. It's a knife, Dickyness.  Honni soit qui mal y pense.  Not that your guttersnipish misprision ever arrives unexpectedly, but by continuing to type in this excretory vein you are liable to squander the aseptic effluvia that render you so peculiarly adapted for the indispensable office of a public urinal ameliorator. http://www.nordicknives.com/randall/randall_pics/NordRand01A_04A.jpg Sometimes a knife is just a knife? ObBook:  _Flushed With Pride_ Richard Harter, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it http://www.tiac.net/users/cri A wise man praises modesty.  Your own horn is heard more clearly if no one else is tooting theirs.

but something that preceded it.  jm Marx claimed that the class struggle was the motive force of  jm history.  jm Having discovered this dubious principle  he then promoted class  jm warfare as the only way to resolve the problem. He had no  jm truck whatsoever with attempts at non-violent reform.  Violence was  jm intrinsic to communism as far as he was concerned. No. As far as he was concerned, communism would come AFTER the end of the class struggle and then violence would end. And since Jesus preceded Marx, he wasn't a Marxist. Keep well Steve Hayes   WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/steve.htm   E-mail: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it FamilyNet < Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org

JMS ObBook: Holy Blood, Holy Grail - about the Knight's Templer I'm sure one can find more reliable books than that!  JMS Ok, how about:  JMS The Arcana of the Grail Angel : the spiritual science of the Holy  JMS Blood  and of the Holy Grail : a study, developed out of the work  JMS of Rudolf Steiner of the underground streams of esoteric  JMS Christianity which flowed  from the Brotherhood of the Holy Grail  JMS to the Order of the Knights Templars, and the true Rosicrucian  JMS Order / by John Barnwell; text & diagrams; foreword by Douglas J.  JMS Gabriel That sounds even more conspiratorial theoretical than Baigent's stuff!  JMS Just don't mention Eco... I'll try not to. Keep well Steve Hayes   WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/steve.htm   E-mail: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it FamilyNet < Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org