So the second law does apply too. Simple high school physics. Bravo Michael. Way to go lapdog. You are doing a great job of being a little me too puppy for Cerkowski. Is he giving you a little cookie afterwards? According to the leading physicist on the subject, most high school textbooks give an incorrect account of the 2nd law. Cerkowski is talking about wasting solar energy. Even if the 2nd Law actually did apply (which it doesn't in reality), it's ludicrious to talk about wasting solar energy. There is plenty to go around and we don't have to worry about it going away any time soon. [...]

   As other people have pointed out to you, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and you always seem to have too little for it to do you any good. This is the kind of crack that makes you look even more sleazy than usual (is that even possible) when you complain about someone else's incivility.  The fact that yours take a marginally different form from my calling you a fucking shitbag doesn't change a thing.  As always, you're a hypocrite; it's all you know.

Jonathan, do yourself a favor: contact a physicist or chemist, or even a good biologist, and ask him or her yourself. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of this issue, and you aren't going to listen to me about it. Happily, you don't have to: this aspect of thermodynamics is well known outside of usenet. It's why the first level of food organisms on earth are photosynthetic, the second level entirely or mostly herbivoruous, and why carnivores are the smallest group. It's all a question of available energy.

Yes you can. The rights are called human rights . By definition they apply to humans. Specifically, what *is*  it about being human that confers moral considerability upon the individual?

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of this issue, and you aren't going to listen to me about it. You really should look in a mirror when you write these things. [...]